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It is not that we don't see it as a problem or that we mind discussion with anyone...American or otherwise...it is the tone perceived in your email that set many off.<BR><BR><BR><BR> <BR>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:24:00 +0200<BR>From: tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com<BR>To: bent@list.marsride.org<BR>Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3<BR><BR>It looks l like I can't put my words in foreign language that way somebody takes my questions offending.
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<DIV>I think that it is difficult to combine cars and bicycles on same lanes by a safe way for bicycles.</DIV>
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<DIV>I thought that people who like to use bicycles (bent-people) would be open to discuss this problem.</DIV>
<DIV>This website belongs to bent-people. I would understand that my questions would rise agressiveness on a motor-sport website.</DIV>
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<DIV>Of course, it is MY problem how you solve this problem in NYC. Perhaps it is not a problem?</DIV>
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<DIV>Or perhaps people who live in Manhattan have other needs/desires than people who only visit Manhattan occasionly?</DIV>
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<DIV>Driving car freely everywhere is certainly a nice right. You have of course areas like amazing Central Park to take bicycle rides. </DIV>
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<DIV>Perhaps any thoughts about restrictions for cars is "tabu"? Or is it?</DIV>
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<DIV>Where ever I travel, I try to understand what solutions diffrent nations have concerning life of bicycle/pedestrian traffic. And why they have made these solutions. </DIV>
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<DIV>I visited Florence in Italy last summer and they had fine solutions but....I think I leave it.</DIV>
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<DIV class=ecxgmail_quote>2010/1/12 Clay Mikolasy <SPAN dir=ltr><<A>clay@njsouth.com</A>></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Wow...Tapio apologized but then comes right back again ("<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">where do Manhattanties need cars so badly in Mid-Town?"</FONT>...Burton, you were right...Tapio, let me say that I hope you will come back to our country some day, I hope you will enjoy your time here, maybe I'll even ride with you sometime, but that I am not really interested to hear your opinions on how NYC or the US could do things to suit you better. And I promise you that I will not make any comments on a Finnish website on how your country could do things to suit ME better. OK?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A title=tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com>Tapio Antero Osala</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=bent@list.marsride.org>NY/NJ/CT/PA Metro Area Recumbent Society (MARS)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:26 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3</DIV>
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<DIV>Also, car-free plazas generally don't work in midtown Manhattan. The grid structure makes it hard. Just see what a street fair closure does. There are an increasing number of bike lanes, even some separated from the car flow. However, I don't use them. It's faster to just take the road and mix it up with traffic. More fun too. </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV>I can understand the need of cars in sub-urban areas but where do Manhattanties need cars so badly in Mid-Town?</DIV>
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<DIV>How many % of Manhattanties own a car? </DIV>
<DIV>How of them use it daily in Manhattan?</DIV>
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<DIV>Well, perhaps you are used to waiting in traffic lights, noise of cars. Manhattan is wonderfull as it is but could it be even better with car-free areas?</DIV>
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<DIV>Has this kind of issues been discussed?</DIV>
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<DIV>(In car-free areas the supply of goods is taken care between hours 6 - 10 AM)</DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV></DIV>-- <BR>Tapio Osala<BR><A>tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com</A><BR>Vaasa gsm <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = SKYPE /><SKYPE:SPAN id=softomate_v3_highlight_0 class=skype_v3_tb_injection title=Call this phone number in Finland with Skype: +358400761185 type=".flex" rtl="1" skypeid="0" skypeaction="call" nof="" isfax="" freecall="" fwidth=".w16" mode=".compat" path="file://C:/DOCUME~1/JeffNB/LOCALS~1/Temp/__SkypeIEToolbar_Cache/e70d95847a8f5723cfca6b3fd9946506/static/" durex2="%DADDYHEIGHT%" durex="%DADDYWIDTH%" context="+358400761185"><SKYPE:SPAN id=skype_v3_tb_img_r0 class=skype_v3_tb_imgR></SKYPE:SPAN><SKYPE:SPAN id=skype_v3_tb_text0 class=skype_v3_tb_injectionIn><SKYPE:SPAN id=skype_v3_tb_innerText0 class=skype_v3_tb_innerText> +358400761185 </SKYPE:SPAN></SKYPE:SPAN><SKYPE:SPAN id=skype_v3_tb_img_s0 class=skype_v3_tb_imgS></SKYPE:SPAN><SKYPE:SPAN style="BACKGROUND-IMAGE: url(file://C:/DOCUME~1/JeffNB/LOCALS~1/Temp/__SkypeIEToolbar_Cache/e70d95847a8f5723cfca6b3fd9946506/static/inactive_a.compat.flex.w16.gif)" id=skype_v3_tb_droppart_0 class=skype_v3_tb_imgA title="Skype actions" skypeid="0" skypeaction="drop" skypesms="1"><SKYPE:SPAN style="BACKGROUND-IMAGE: url(file://C:/DOCUME~1/JeffNB/LOCALS~1/Temp/__SkypeIEToolbar_Cache/e70d95847a8f5723cfca6b3fd9946506/static/famfamfam/FI.gif)" id=skype_v3_tb_img_f0 class=skype_v3_tb_imgFlag></SKYPE:SPAN></SKYPE:SPAN></SKYPE:SPAN> <SKYPE:SPAN id=softomate_v3_print_0 class=skype_v3_tb_injection_print context="">+358400761185</SKYPE:SPAN> <BR></DIV></DIV>
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