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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> He's apologized already.</FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> By the way, as a present day
country-boy, I really admire those of you who routinely ride in Midtown
Manhattan! You've got nerves of steel!</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=brothberg@gmail.com href="mailto:brothberg@gmail.com">Burton
Rothberg</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=bent@list.marsride.org
href="mailto:bent@list.marsride.org">bent@list.marsride.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 11, 2010 10:03
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50,
Issue 3</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Someone asked what I thought was smug.
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">How about:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13px">
You Manhattans are so kind,<BR> liberal and "european" compared
with the rest of North America.<BR> If I would move to U.S
NYC would be the only alternative.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN
style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse"><BR></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif"><SPAN style="BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse">I
expect to hear this kind of smugness on MSNBC, but it is impolite when
referring to another's country.<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Also, car-free plazas generally don't work in midtown Manhattan. The grid
structure makes it hard. Just see what a street fair closure does. There are
an increasing number of bike lanes, even some separated from the car flow.
However, I don't use them. It's faster to just take the road and mix it
up with traffic. More fun too. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Once you get downtown, it's different. Shelley's neighborhood, and the
whole financial district, has numerous closures and is easy to bike.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 4:50 PM, <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
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target=_blank>bent-request@list.marsride.org</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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1 Finland (jeff fields)<BR> 3. Re: Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 (Clay
Mikolasy)<BR> 4. Re: Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 (Clay
Mikolasy)<BR><BR><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message:
1<BR>Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:44:43 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: Joe Hippo <<A
href="mailto:ozzac41@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>ozzac41@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest,
Vol 50, Issue 1 Finland<BR>To: "NY/NJ/CT/PA Metro Area Recumbent Society
\(MARS\)"<BR> <<A
href="mailto:bent@list.marsride.org"
target=_blank>bent@list.marsride.org</A>><BR>Message-ID: <<A
href="mailto:587592.1708.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com"
target=_blank>587592.1708.qm@web38103.mail.mud.yahoo.com</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>Since I no longer live in NY I guess
my brain has atrophied and I'm not able to discern "condescending and smug"
in the nuanced writings of Finland folk. Maybe there's some invisible ink
coded in between the lines that I should hold above a flame. Perhaps someone
can parse the offending material for me.<BR>?<BR><BR><BR>--- On Fri, 1/8/10,
Burton Rothberg <<A href="mailto:brothberg@gmail.com"
target=_blank>brothberg@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR>As a
Manhatanite and an American I feel the tone and content of your post were
both?condescending?and smug.<BR><BR><BR>Manhattanties are friendly in the
same way that most Americans are. There is clearly a difference with Europe,
and the difference goes deeper than pedestrian plazas. ?I recommend you
spend some time with your son in Hershey to see what I
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2<BR>Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:28:48 +0000<BR>From: jeff fields <<A
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target=_blank>j_h_fields@msn.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest,
Vol 50, Issue 1 Finland<BR>To: "MARS Recumbent Metro Area Recumbent Society
(MARS)"<BR> <<A
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target=_blank>bent@list.marsride.org</A>><BR>Message-ID:
<BLU142-W17ADF7A88846FA80348DAD66E0@phx.gbl><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR><BR><BR>DIDN'T SEE IT
MYSELF<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:44:43
-0800<BR>From: <A href="mailto:ozzac41@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>ozzac41@yahoo.com</A><BR>To: <A
href="mailto:bent@list.marsride.org"
target=_blank>bent@list.marsride.org</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest,
Vol 50, Issue 1 Finland<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Since I no longer live in
NY I guess my brain has atrophied and I'm not able to discern "condescending
and smug" in the nuanced writings of Finland folk. Maybe there's some
invisible ink coded in between the lines that I should hold above a flame.
Perhaps someone can parse the offending material for me.<BR><BR><BR><BR>---
On Fri, 1/8/10, Burton Rothberg <<A href="mailto:brothberg@gmail.com"
target=_blank>brothberg@gmail.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR><BR><BR>As a
Manhatanite and an American I feel the tone and content of your post were
both condescending and smug.<BR><BR><BR>Manhattanties are friendly in the
same way that most Americans are. There is clearly a difference with Europe,
and the difference goes deeper than pedestrian plazas. I recommend you
spend some time with your son in Hershey to see what I
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3<BR>Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:46:07 -0500<BR>From: "Clay Mikolasy" <<A
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target=_blank>clay@njsouth.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest,
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\(MARS\)"<BR> <<A
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<3661D43BD6B44A2E9349A345B5D48300@claypc><BR>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>As an ex-Queens-ite, Manhattanite, and American,
I agree. Maybe the tone of the original poster was tinged with some envy,
too? I think that if I were writing to people in another country and making
comments about their country, the tone would have been worlds different.
Personally, when I go somewhere else, I cherish that which is different from
where I live, and THAT'<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR> From:
Burton Rothberg<BR> To: <A href="mailto:bent@list.marsride.org"
target=_blank>bent@list.marsride.org</A><BR> Sent: Friday, January 08,
2010 9:59 PM<BR> Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue
1<BR><BR><BR> As a Manhatanite and an American I feel the tone and
content of your post were both condescending and
smug.<BR><BR><BR> Manhattanties are friendly in the same way that most
Americans are. There is clearly a difference with Europe, and the difference
goes deeper than pedestrian plazas. I recommend you spend some time
with your son in Hershey to see what I mean.<BR><BR><BR> On Fri, Jan 8,
2010 at 12:00 PM, <<A href="mailto:bent-request@list.marsride.org"
target=_blank>bent-request@list.marsride.org</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>
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Message: 1<BR> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:42:17
+0200<BR> From: Tapio Antero Osala <<A
href="mailto:tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com"
target=_blank>tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com</A>><BR> Subject:
Re: [Bent] Bent people from Finland visiting NYC<BR> To:
"NY/NJ/CT/PA Metro Area Recumbent Society (MARS)"<BR>
<<A href="mailto:bent@list.marsride.org"
target=_blank>bent@list.marsride.org</A>><BR>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<BR><BR> Thank You
for your efforts on Xmas week trying to make a meeting with
us.<BR><BR> Next time I will choose a more proper time of
year.<BR><BR> ---<BR> We had a great 5 days in
Manhattan. You Manhattans are so kind,<BR> liberal and
"european" compared with the rest of North America.<BR><BR> If I
would move to U.S NYC would be the only alternative.<BR><BR> We
were watching a couple of movies ("Invictus" and Pedro Almodovar:<BR>
"Broken Embraces") and the Hair -musical.<BR> All were
exellent.<BR> (Hint: Perdo Almodovar is #1 european film
director)<BR><BR> The Muse Hotel was superb (Times
Square).<BR><BR> We also visitid the American Museum of Natural
History ( it was not SO<BR> impressive that we imagined but
worth visit).<BR><BR> The main purpose of my visit was to have a
good holiday with my son<BR> (and celebrate his 22nd birthday)
while he had almost a week vacation<BR> from his ice hockey in
Hershey Bears (PA).<BR> This purpose was fullfilled
100%.<BR><BR> I some one of you ever plans to visit Europe (or
Finland!) do not<BR> hesitate to contact
me.<BR><BR><BR><BR> -----<BR> I noticed that you do
not have much pedestrian streets in Manhattan,<BR> One block on
Broadway/Times Sqare was all I found.<BR><BR> In almost ALL
european cities (not so much in London) there are large<BR>
areas for only pedestrians and that is where all people meet (and
the<BR> business i flourishing!). I am just wondring why it
would not function<BR> even in Manhattan
mid-town?<BR><BR><BR> -- Have a nice Spring!<BR><BR><BR>
Tapio Osala<BR> <A
href="mailto:tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com"
target=_blank>tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com</A><BR> Vaasa gsm
+358400761185<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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charset="iso-8859-1"<BR><BR>(continued)....and THAT'S what I write or talk
about publicly. I'm sure this is what most people do.<BR> -----
Original Message -----<BR> From: Burton Rothberg<BR> To: <A
href="mailto:bent@list.marsride.org"
target=_blank>bent@list.marsride.org</A><BR> Sent: Friday, January 08,
2010 9:59 PM<BR> Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue
1<BR><BR><BR> As a Manhatanite and an American I feel the tone and
content of your post were both condescending and
smug.<BR><BR><BR> Manhattanties are friendly in the same way that most
Americans are. There is clearly a difference with Europe, and the difference
goes deeper than pedestrian plazas. I recommend you spend some time
with your son in Hershey to see what I mean.<BR><BR><BR> On Fri, Jan 8,
2010 at 12:00 PM, <<A href="mailto:bent-request@list.marsride.org"
target=_blank>bent-request@list.marsride.org</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>
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Message: 1<BR> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:42:17
+0200<BR> From: Tapio Antero Osala <<A
href="mailto:tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com"
target=_blank>tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com</A>><BR> Subject:
Re: [Bent] Bent people from Finland visiting NYC<BR> To:
"NY/NJ/CT/PA Metro Area Recumbent Society (MARS)"<BR>
<<A href="mailto:bent@list.marsride.org"
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<BR><BR> Thank You
for your efforts on Xmas week trying to make a meeting with
us.<BR><BR> Next time I will choose a more proper time of
year.<BR><BR> ---<BR> We had a great 5 days in
Manhattan. You Manhattans are so kind,<BR> liberal and
"european" compared with the rest of North America.<BR><BR> If I
would move to U.S NYC would be the only alternative.<BR><BR> We
were watching a couple of movies ("Invictus" and Pedro Almodovar:<BR>
"Broken Embraces") and the Hair -musical.<BR> All were
exellent.<BR> (Hint: Perdo Almodovar is #1 european film
director)<BR><BR> The Muse Hotel was superb (Times
Square).<BR><BR> We also visitid the American Museum of Natural
History ( it was not SO<BR> impressive that we imagined but
worth visit).<BR><BR> The main purpose of my visit was to have a
good holiday with my son<BR> (and celebrate his 22nd birthday)
while he had almost a week vacation<BR> from his ice hockey in
Hershey Bears (PA).<BR> This purpose was fullfilled
100%.<BR><BR> I some one of you ever plans to visit Europe (or
Finland!) do not<BR> hesitate to contact
me.<BR><BR><BR><BR> -----<BR> I noticed that you do
not have much pedestrian streets in Manhattan,<BR> One block on
Broadway/Times Sqare was all I found.<BR><BR> In almost ALL
european cities (not so much in London) there are large<BR>
areas for only pedestrians and that is where all people meet (and
the<BR> business i flourishing!). I am just wondring why it
would not function<BR> even in Manhattan
mid-town?<BR><BR><BR> -- Have a nice Spring!<BR><BR><BR>
Tapio Osala<BR> <A
href="mailto:tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com"
target=_blank>tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com</A><BR> Vaasa gsm
+358400761185<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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