Someone asked what I thought was smug.<div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">How about:</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><span style="font-size:13px"> You Manhattans are so kind,<br>
liberal and "european" compared with the rest of North America.<br> If I would move to U.S NYC would be the only alternative.</span></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse"><br>
</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="border-collapse:collapse">I expect to hear this kind of smugness on MSNBC, but it is impolite when referring to another's country.<br>
</span></font><br></div><div>Also, car-free plazas generally don't work in midtown Manhattan. The grid structure makes it hard. Just see what a street fair closure does. There are an increasing number of bike lanes, even some separated from the car flow. However, I don't use them. It's faster to just take the road and mix it up with traffic. More fun too. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Once you get downtown, it's different. Shelley's neighborhood, and the whole financial district, has numerous closures and is easy to bike.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote">
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Since I no longer live in NY I guess my brain has atrophied and I'm not able to discern "condescending and smug" in the nuanced writings of Finland folk. Maybe there's some invisible ink coded in between the lines that I should hold above a flame. Perhaps someone can parse the offending material for me.<br>
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Since I no longer live in NY I guess my brain has atrophied and I'm not able to discern "condescending and smug" in the nuanced writings of Finland folk. Maybe there's some invisible ink coded in between the lines that I should hold above a flame. Perhaps someone can parse the offending material for me.<br>
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As a Manhatanite and an American I feel the tone and content of your post were both condescending and smug.<br>
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Manhattanties are friendly in the same way that most Americans are. There is clearly a difference with Europe, and the difference goes deeper than pedestrian plazas. I recommend you spend some time with your son in Hershey to see what I mean.<br>
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Thank You for your efforts on Xmas week trying to make a meeting with us.<br>
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Next time I will choose a more proper time of year.<br>
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We had a great 5 days in Manhattan. You Manhattans are so kind,<br>
liberal and "european" compared with the rest of North America.<br>
<br>
If I would move to U.S NYC would be the only alternative.<br>
<br>
We were watching a couple of movies ("Invictus" and Pedro Almodovar:<br>
"Broken Embraces") and the Hair -musical.<br>
All were exellent.<br>
(Hint: Perdo Almodovar is #1 european film director)<br>
<br>
The Muse Hotel was superb (Times Square).<br>
<br>
We also visitid the American Museum of Natural History ( it was not SO<br>
impressive that we imagined but worth visit).<br>
<br>
The main purpose of my visit was to have a good holiday with my son<br>
(and celebrate his 22nd birthday) while he had almost a week vacation<br>
from his ice hockey in Hershey Bears (PA).<br>
This purpose was fullfilled 100%.<br>
<br>
I some one of you ever plans to visit Europe (or Finland!) do not<br>
hesitate to contact me.<br>
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I noticed that you do not have much pedestrian streets in Manhattan,<br>
One block on Broadway/Times Sqare was all I found.<br>
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In almost ALL european cities (not so much in London) there are large<br>
areas for only pedestrians and that is where all people meet (and the<br>
business i flourishing!). I am just wondring why it would not function<br>
even in Manhattan mid-town?<br>
<br>
<br>
-- Have a nice Spring!<br>
<br>
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(continued)....and THAT'S what I write or talk about publicly. I'm sure this is what most people do.<br>
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As a Manhatanite and an American I feel the tone and content of your post were both condescending and smug.<br>
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Manhattanties are friendly in the same way that most Americans are. There is clearly a difference with Europe, and the difference goes deeper than pedestrian plazas. I recommend you spend some time with your son in Hershey to see what I mean.<br>
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Thank You for your efforts on Xmas week trying to make a meeting with us.<br>
<br>
Next time I will choose a more proper time of year.<br>
<br>
---<br>
We had a great 5 days in Manhattan. You Manhattans are so kind,<br>
liberal and "european" compared with the rest of North America.<br>
<br>
If I would move to U.S NYC would be the only alternative.<br>
<br>
We were watching a couple of movies ("Invictus" and Pedro Almodovar:<br>
"Broken Embraces") and the Hair -musical.<br>
All were exellent.<br>
(Hint: Perdo Almodovar is #1 european film director)<br>
<br>
The Muse Hotel was superb (Times Square).<br>
<br>
We also visitid the American Museum of Natural History ( it was not SO<br>
impressive that we imagined but worth visit).<br>
<br>
The main purpose of my visit was to have a good holiday with my son<br>
(and celebrate his 22nd birthday) while he had almost a week vacation<br>
from his ice hockey in Hershey Bears (PA).<br>
This purpose was fullfilled 100%.<br>
<br>
I some one of you ever plans to visit Europe (or Finland!) do not<br>
hesitate to contact me.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----<br>
I noticed that you do not have much pedestrian streets in Manhattan,<br>
One block on Broadway/Times Sqare was all I found.<br>
<br>
In almost ALL european cities (not so much in London) there are large<br>
areas for only pedestrians and that is where all people meet (and the<br>
business i flourishing!). I am just wondring why it would not function<br>
even in Manhattan mid-town?<br>
<br>
<br>
-- Have a nice Spring!<br>
<br>
<br>
Tapio Osala<br>
<a href="mailto:tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com" target="_blank">tapio.antero.osala@gmail.com</a><br>
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