[Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3

[jeff fields]

It is not that we don't see it as a problem or that we mind discussion with anyone...American or otherwise...it is the tone perceived in your email that set many off.



 


Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 01:24:00 +0200
From: tapio.antero.osala at gmail.com
To: bent at list.marsride.org
Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3

It looks l like I can't put my words in foreign language that way somebody takes my questions offending.


I think that it is difficult to combine cars and bicycles on same lanes by a safe way for bicycles.


I thought that people who like to use bicycles (bent-people) would be open to discuss this problem.
This website belongs to bent-people. I would understand that my questions would rise agressiveness on a motor-sport website.


Of course, it is MY problem how you solve this problem in NYC. Perhaps it is not a problem?


Or perhaps people who live in Manhattan have other needs/desires than people who only visit Manhattan occasionly?


Driving car freely everywhere is certainly a nice right. You have of course areas like amazing Central Park to take bicycle rides. 


Perhaps any thoughts about restrictions for cars is "tabu"? Or is it?


Where ever I travel, I try to understand what solutions diffrent nations have concerning life of bicycle/pedestrian traffic. And why they have made these solutions. 


I visited Florence in Italy last summer and they had fine solutions but....I think I leave it.








2010/1/12 Clay Mikolasy <clay at njsouth.com>



Wow...Tapio apologized but then comes right back again ("where do Manhattanties need cars so badly in Mid-Town?"...Burton, you were right...Tapio, let me say that I hope you will come back to our country some day, I hope you will enjoy your time here, maybe I'll even ride with you sometime, but that I am not really interested to hear your opinions on how NYC or the US could do things to suit you better. And I promise you that I will not make any comments on a Finnish website on how your country could do things to suit ME better. OK?
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From: Tapio Antero Osala 
To: NY/NJ/CT/PA Metro Area Recumbent Society (MARS) 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3



2010/1/12 Burton Rothberg <brothberg at gmail.com>. 



Also, car-free plazas generally don't work in midtown Manhattan. The grid structure makes it hard. Just see what a street fair closure does. There are an increasing number of bike lanes, even some separated from the car flow. However, I don't use them. It's  faster to just take the road and mix it up with traffic. More fun too. 


I can understand the need of cars in sub-urban areas but where do Manhattanties need cars so badly in Mid-Town?


How many % of Manhattanties own a car? 
How of them use it daily in Manhattan?


Well, perhaps you are used to waiting in traffic lights, noise of cars. Manhattan is wonderfull as it is but could it be even better with car-free areas?


Has this kind of issues been discussed?


(In car-free areas the supply of goods is taken care between hours 6 - 10 AM)










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