[Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3

[Old Pokey]

I would like to know what solutions you saw in Florence.  It seems that if
that city (with its narrow bumpy streets busy with scooters, people, and
cars) has found a solution, we can learn from it.

OP

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Tapio Antero Osala <
tapio.antero.osala at gmail.com> wrote:

> It looks l like I can't put my words in foreign language that way somebody
> takes my questions offending.
>
> I think that it is difficult to combine cars and bicycles on same lanes by
> a safe way for bicycles.
>
> I thought that people who like to use bicycles (bent-people) would be open
> to discuss this problem.
> This website belongs to bent-people. I would understand that my questions
> would rise agressiveness on a motor-sport website.
>
> Of course, it is MY problem how you solve this problem in NYC. Perhaps it
> is not a problem?
>
> Or perhaps people who live in Manhattan have other needs/desires than
> people who only visit Manhattan occasionly?
>
> Driving car freely everywhere is certainly a nice right. You have of course
> areas like amazing Central Park to take bicycle rides.
>
> Perhaps any thoughts about restrictions for cars is "tabu"? Or is it?
>
> Where ever I travel, I try to understand what solutions diffrent nations
> have concerning life of bicycle/pedestrian traffic. And why they have made
> these solutions.
>
> I visited Florence in Italy last summer and they had fine solutions
> but....I think I leave it.
>
>
>
>
> 2010/1/12 Clay Mikolasy <clay at njsouth.com>
>
>  Wow...Tapio apologized but then comes right back again ("where do
>> Manhattanties need cars so badly in Mid-Town?"...Burton, you were
>> right...Tapio, let me say that I hope you will come back to our country some
>> day, I hope you will enjoy your time here, maybe I'll even ride with you
>> sometime, but that I am not really interested to hear your opinions on how
>> NYC or the US could do things to suit you better. And I promise you that I
>> will not make any comments on a Finnish website on how your country could do
>> things to suit ME better. OK?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* Tapio Antero Osala <tapio.antero.osala at gmail.com>
>> *To:* NY/NJ/CT/PA Metro Area Recumbent Society (MARS)<bent at list.marsride.org>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:26 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3
>>
>>
>> 2010/1/12 Burton Rothberg <brothberg at gmail.com>.
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, car-free plazas generally don't work in midtown Manhattan. The grid
>>> structure makes it hard. Just see what a street fair closure does. There are
>>> an increasing number of bike lanes, even some separated from the car flow.
>>> However, I don't use them. It's  faster to just take the road and mix it up
>>> with traffic. More fun too.
>>>
>>
>> I can understand the need of cars in sub-urban areas but where do
>> Manhattanties need cars so badly in Mid-Town?
>>
>> How many % of Manhattanties own a car?
>> How of them use it daily in Manhattan?
>>
>> Well, perhaps you are used to waiting in traffic lights, noise of cars.
>> Manhattan is wonderfull as it is but could it be even better with car-free
>> areas?
>>
>> Has this kind of issues been discussed?
>>
>> (In car-free areas the supply of goods is taken care between hours 6 - 10
>> AM)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tapio Osala
>> tapio.antero.osala at gmail.com
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