[Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3

[Tapio Antero Osala]

It looks l like I can't put my words in foreign language that way somebody
takes my questions offending.

I think that it is difficult to combine cars and bicycles on same lanes by a
safe way for bicycles.

I thought that people who like to use bicycles (bent-people) would be open
to discuss this problem.
This website belongs to bent-people. I would understand that my questions
would rise agressiveness on a motor-sport website.

Of course, it is MY problem how you solve this problem in NYC. Perhaps it is
not a problem?

Or perhaps people who live in Manhattan have other needs/desires than people
who only visit Manhattan occasionly?

Driving car freely everywhere is certainly a nice right. You have of course
areas like amazing Central Park to take bicycle rides.

Perhaps any thoughts about restrictions for cars is "tabu"? Or is it?

Where ever I travel, I try to understand what solutions diffrent nations
have concerning life of bicycle/pedestrian traffic. And why they have made
these solutions.

I visited Florence in Italy last summer and they had fine solutions but....I
think I leave it.




2010/1/12 Clay Mikolasy <clay at njsouth.com>

>  Wow...Tapio apologized but then comes right back again ("where do
> Manhattanties need cars so badly in Mid-Town?"...Burton, you were
> right...Tapio, let me say that I hope you will come back to our country some
> day, I hope you will enjoy your time here, maybe I'll even ride with you
> sometime, but that I am not really interested to hear your opinions on how
> NYC or the US could do things to suit you better. And I promise you that I
> will not make any comments on a Finnish website on how your country could do
> things to suit ME better. OK?
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Tapio Antero Osala <tapio.antero.osala at gmail.com>
> *To:* NY/NJ/CT/PA Metro Area Recumbent Society (MARS)<bent at list.marsride.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3
>
>
> 2010/1/12 Burton Rothberg <brothberg at gmail.com>.
>>
>>
>> Also, car-free plazas generally don't work in midtown Manhattan. The grid
>> structure makes it hard. Just see what a street fair closure does. There are
>> an increasing number of bike lanes, even some separated from the car flow.
>> However, I don't use them. It's  faster to just take the road and mix it up
>> with traffic. More fun too.
>>
>
> I can understand the need of cars in sub-urban areas but where do
> Manhattanties need cars so badly in Mid-Town?
>
> How many % of Manhattanties own a car?
> How of them use it daily in Manhattan?
>
> Well, perhaps you are used to waiting in traffic lights, noise of cars.
> Manhattan is wonderfull as it is but could it be even better with car-free
> areas?
>
> Has this kind of issues been discussed?
>
> (In car-free areas the supply of goods is taken care between hours 6 - 10
> AM)
>
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> Tapio Osala
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Vaasa gsm +358400761185
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