[Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 3
Burton Rothberg
brothberg at gmail.com
Mon Jan 11 22:03:09 EST 2010
Someone asked what I thought was smug.
How about:
You Manhattans are so kind,
liberal and "european" compared with the rest of North America.
If I would move to U.S NYC would be the only alternative.
I expect to hear this kind of smugness on MSNBC, but it is impolite when
referring to another's country.
Also, car-free plazas generally don't work in midtown Manhattan. The grid
structure makes it hard. Just see what a street fair closure does. There are
an increasing number of bike lanes, even some separated from the car flow.
However, I don't use them. It's faster to just take the road and mix it up
with traffic. More fun too.
Once you get downtown, it's different. Shelley's neighborhood, and the whole
financial district, has numerous closures and is easy to bike.
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> From: Joe Hippo <ozzac41 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 Finland
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> Since I no longer live in NY I guess my brain has atrophied and I'm not
> able to discern "condescending and smug" in the nuanced writings of Finland
> folk. Maybe there's some invisible ink coded in between the lines that I
> should hold above a flame. Perhaps someone can parse the offending material
> for me.
> ?
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> --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Burton Rothberg <brothberg at gmail.com> wrote:
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> As a Manhatanite and an American I feel the tone and content of your post
> were both?condescending?and smug.
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>
> Manhattanties are friendly in the same way that most Americans are. There
> is clearly a difference with Europe, and the difference goes deeper than
> pedestrian plazas. ?I recommend you spend some time with your son in Hershey
> to see what I mean.?
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> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 09:44:43 -0800
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> To: bent at list.marsride.org
> Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1 Finland
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> Since I no longer live in NY I guess my brain has atrophied and I'm not
> able to discern "condescending and smug" in the nuanced writings of Finland
> folk. Maybe there's some invisible ink coded in between the lines that I
> should hold above a flame. Perhaps someone can parse the offending material
> for me.
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 1/8/10, Burton Rothberg <brothberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
> As a Manhatanite and an American I feel the tone and content of your post
> were both condescending and smug.
>
>
> Manhattanties are friendly in the same way that most Americans are. There
> is clearly a difference with Europe, and the difference goes deeper than
> pedestrian plazas. I recommend you spend some time with your son in Hershey
> to see what I mean.
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> From: "Clay Mikolasy" <clay at njsouth.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1
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> As an ex-Queens-ite, Manhattanite, and American, I agree. Maybe the tone of
> the original poster was tinged with some envy, too? I think that if I were
> writing to people in another country and making comments about their
> country, the tone would have been worlds different. Personally, when I go
> somewhere else, I cherish that which is different from where I live, and
> THAT'
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> To: bent at list.marsride.org
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1
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>
> As a Manhatanite and an American I feel the tone and content of your post
> were both condescending and smug.
>
>
> Manhattanties are friendly in the same way that most Americans are. There
> is clearly a difference with Europe, and the difference goes deeper than
> pedestrian plazas. I recommend you spend some time with your son in Hershey
> to see what I mean.
>
>
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> From: Tapio Antero Osala <tapio.antero.osala at gmail.com>
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> Thank You for your efforts on Xmas week trying to make a meeting with
> us.
>
> Next time I will choose a more proper time of year.
>
> ---
> We had a great 5 days in Manhattan. You Manhattans are so kind,
> liberal and "european" compared with the rest of North America.
>
> If I would move to U.S NYC would be the only alternative.
>
> We were watching a couple of movies ("Invictus" and Pedro Almodovar:
> "Broken Embraces") and the Hair -musical.
> All were exellent.
> (Hint: Perdo Almodovar is #1 european film director)
>
> The Muse Hotel was superb (Times Square).
>
> We also visitid the American Museum of Natural History ( it was not SO
> impressive that we imagined but worth visit).
>
> The main purpose of my visit was to have a good holiday with my son
> (and celebrate his 22nd birthday) while he had almost a week vacation
> from his ice hockey in Hershey Bears (PA).
> This purpose was fullfilled 100%.
>
> I some one of you ever plans to visit Europe (or Finland!) do not
> hesitate to contact me.
>
>
>
> -----
> I noticed that you do not have much pedestrian streets in Manhattan,
> One block on Broadway/Times Sqare was all I found.
>
> In almost ALL european cities (not so much in London) there are large
> areas for only pedestrians and that is where all people meet (and the
> business i flourishing!). I am just wondring why it would not function
> even in Manhattan mid-town?
>
>
> -- Have a nice Spring!
>
>
> Tapio Osala
> tapio.antero.osala at gmail.com
> Vaasa gsm +358400761185
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> (continued)....and THAT'S what I write or talk about publicly. I'm sure
> this is what most people do.
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> From: Burton Rothberg
> To: bent at list.marsride.org
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent Digest, Vol 50, Issue 1
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>
> As a Manhatanite and an American I feel the tone and content of your post
> were both condescending and smug.
>
>
> Manhattanties are friendly in the same way that most Americans are. There
> is clearly a difference with Europe, and the difference goes deeper than
> pedestrian plazas. I recommend you spend some time with your son in Hershey
> to see what I mean.
>
>
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> 1. Re: Bent people from Finland visiting NYC (Tapio Antero Osala)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 00:42:17 +0200
> From: Tapio Antero Osala <tapio.antero.osala at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Bent] Bent people from Finland visiting NYC
> To: "NY/NJ/CT/PA Metro Area Recumbent Society (MARS)"
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> Thank You for your efforts on Xmas week trying to make a meeting with
> us.
>
> Next time I will choose a more proper time of year.
>
> ---
> We had a great 5 days in Manhattan. You Manhattans are so kind,
> liberal and "european" compared with the rest of North America.
>
> If I would move to U.S NYC would be the only alternative.
>
> We were watching a couple of movies ("Invictus" and Pedro Almodovar:
> "Broken Embraces") and the Hair -musical.
> All were exellent.
> (Hint: Perdo Almodovar is #1 european film director)
>
> The Muse Hotel was superb (Times Square).
>
> We also visitid the American Museum of Natural History ( it was not SO
> impressive that we imagined but worth visit).
>
> The main purpose of my visit was to have a good holiday with my son
> (and celebrate his 22nd birthday) while he had almost a week vacation
> from his ice hockey in Hershey Bears (PA).
> This purpose was fullfilled 100%.
>
> I some one of you ever plans to visit Europe (or Finland!) do not
> hesitate to contact me.
>
>
>
> -----
> I noticed that you do not have much pedestrian streets in Manhattan,
> One block on Broadway/Times Sqare was all I found.
>
> In almost ALL european cities (not so much in London) there are large
> areas for only pedestrians and that is where all people meet (and the
> business i flourishing!). I am just wondring why it would not function
> even in Manhattan mid-town?
>
>
> -- Have a nice Spring!
>
>
> Tapio Osala
> tapio.antero.osala at gmail.com
> Vaasa gsm +358400761185
>
>
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